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[sa1ty]

I started this in Moti's but I did not want to derail his message.

I am not so much worried about apple alone.

"the grande meal court" said:

Political speech is “indispensable to decision making in a democracy, and this is no less true because the speech comes from a corporation.”
CITIZENS UNITED v. FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION

Unlimited spending from corporations, unions, and the likes. What a political quagmire this will put all of the die hard politicos into.
"I LOVE DORITOS, BUT THEY ARE NOT SUPPORTING MY CANDIDATE!"
I have to ask, if a die hard republican decides to purchase a product that supports a democrat; does that make them a hypocrite, and vice versa? Essentially each and every American consumer is indirectly being put into campaign funding game. But this is why I check NOOOOOOOOOOO on my tax returns, I do not want to support the presidential campaign fund.

What will the packaging look like? Will they put donkeys and elephants on my favorite little debbie snacks? When I go buy a box of condoms, will there be an old crusty republican on the cover, giving me the thumbs up with a balloon above him saying, "DO NOT GO WITH DEMOCRAT, THEY TALK A BIG GAME THEN BREAK WHEN YOU NEED IT TO WORK THE MOST!, VOTE FOR ME."

ooooooh bittersweet irony, you are the salami and cheese to my saltine cracker.

So I suppose 2010 is a beginning. Politicians will be dressed up like nascar drivers littered with patches from their sponsors. When they get tired in a debate they will snort their favorite energy drink.

BRAWNDO, BITCHES! It has electrolytes!

Fuck it, I am going to challenge the law that says you have to be 35 to be president. I will have Johnson and Johnson sponsor me. I will promise a crushing victory via their soft and cuddley no ouch tissue. I will be the peroxide in the eyes of those that oppose me. I will weave dreams about clearer, more hydrated eyes in the minds of stoners. I will put a first aid kit in every home, complete with colorful looking pills.

If you cats want to influence an election, instead of hitting the streets just email these wall street stalkers, they are the ones that will influence the elections from here on out.

P.S. Dear Scott Brown,

Thank you for whoring your daughters out on national television. You make the thrill ride of politics more and more exciting. Government officials more concerned with getting their daughters laid..... (qait, that is kind of rad.) than the crumbling economy. FUCK THE DEPRESSION OUT. RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.



She can sing gentlemen, and is available.

[Wild*Card]

Does she like nice walks on the beach and mustache rides?


But seriously, it's a bit nerve wracking really. When you think about what you buy, you think about who it may be supporting. Mmmmm, that sounds good, but they support so and so. Fecking ridiculous, I say. One could spend a lifetime sorting through what company backs whom, and what that person is for/against. But at the same time, you really have to, just to prevent shooting yourself in the foot because of zesty crunch.


Oh fuck this, I'm going to live in a yurt in Mongolia, and raise goats.

[valkyrieDown]

The election before this I started my personal boycott of Heinz to destroy Kerry`s only chance.
You are welcome for Bush, America. You are welcome.

[Coyote]

How many of you really think the current US situation is fixable, as opposed to starting a new attempt at a free nation somewhere else?

[valkyrieDown]

q

[stonerawk]

Kind of fed up with this media-circus of blogging that includes Facebook, Myspace or Twitter. I don't see the point in doing it, maybe there's a hidden "message" behind all of this? A code that waits to be deciphered. Maybe it's just what it is, a digital substitute for socialising -- a tool for self-promotion. The government could be financially involved in this circus without us knowing it, like a minimized information source for more control, a more categorized one. But then again, the Internet in general is like an open book for the government, so nothing new there.


What if we're connected to aliens from Mars through this circus? Your online best-top friend could be a little green midget creature with big ears and a laser-gun, disguised. He tells you his real name is Tom, but he's actually Sfirixu from a little suburb in Mars?

[Wild*Card]

BECOME MY TOP FRIEND, AND WATCH MY MARTIAN BRETHREN AND I AS WE HARVEST THE GUTS OF ALL HUMANS!

[KEMiKAL]

There has been no such thing as a true democracy in civilization that I can recall. Now it is multinational corporations and their lobbyists creating "supercitizens" with more rights and no consequences which are relegated to you and I. Before, it was land owners and slave holders but true there were always yeomen. Before that, it was monarchs We are geared against democracy at a familial and psychological level. It is part of evolution as a superorganism. How many politicians have been from the middle or lower caste? Probably some, but it is too disproportionate to be a coincidence. The system is not flawed in that its sole purpose is to propagandize and perpetuate it's own existence.

Keep your head down, make your money, then get the fuck out of dodge to a third world country and invest in your local community. Build them a church and a library. Throw them parties Then they will name shit after you and protect your wealthy ass. At least thats what my uncle did.

[-Datura-]

"Democracy is two wolves and a sheep arguing about what's for dinner." - Not Ben Franklin

[sa1ty]

blast it all to heck, i am not allowed to change the titles of my threads :i think:


anyways. i joined a pool for picking nfl picks. it goes through the season and the person that wins gets a handsome reward. :wishes it was a date with his panda:

so far my main strategy is to go on beat the insiders and track what they are betting on. buuuuuuut, that takes the fun out of it. so i have switched to going on espn.com and checking out the stats of the teams and matching them up against each team week by week before they play each other. this board is riddled with smart people, logical, abstract etc. after i get my lazy ass to the site i want to post an example, attempt to explain what i am thinking, then see if we all can come up with some constructive information. this is not so much a debate about how football sucks and it should be abolished, more so a game for us all to play.

What i will do is i will post the results week by week. the objective is to get below a .500 rating each week.

[SoulWrangler]

Salty: Under what reasoning could you support banning the speech of entities just because they incorporate?

To what extent do you think that its constitutionally allowed for the congress to ban free speech?

[sa1ty]

The title of the thread is of course, RANT. If you want to do it, do it. since i am biting my nails and pacing my house wanting to sit around and blah blah about politics, but instead i am doing puzzles n other shit i figured i would start something else that is not related to....politics. Shit, the entire wikileaks thread could be condensed into here.


I was hoping you of all people might be interested and willing to participate soul wrangler. if someone does want to debate about football then awesome, more power to them. my focus though, will be trying to perfect a spread. more or less though, i just wanted to hear/read smart people talking about something else.

Plus I like to gamble here and there. if there are any other gamblers in the house shout out. lets swap tips. DEFCON is in Vegas, dawg. And hackers are, in a sense, gamblers.

[SoulWrangler]

Im assuming that you read the opinions on the case. I havent, though I could go over them. Ive listened to the oral argument on oyez, and have to say that it really does seem to me that incorporation is a legitimate means for people to come together. This allows unions, private interest groups and anyone in general to put out their point of view. People may like to think that there is less of a slant based off of big companies, but that really seems silly when people consider that groups of people have opinions very often, and that it seems silly to try to ban them just because of their grouping. I can see that people may not want to be manipulated, but Im not sure Ive seen that at all. And it seems that campaign contributions and ads have a very small impact on actual results in terms of voting patterns. The author of freakonomics made an interesting article on the subject.

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2010...itizens-united/

Apparently, when accounting for incumbency and shit, doubling spending only increases votes by something like 1%. Its not really major. I dont see it as an issue, practically or in terms of free speech.

[sa1ty]

oh, you are talking about unlimited campaign funds.

[sa1ty]

Chicago Bears, on week 9, said:

Offense
Pts YDS Pass Rush
18 290 201.9 88.6

Defense
Pts Yds Pass Rush
16.3 305.3 216.0 89.3

Buffalo Bills, on week 9, said:

Offense
Pts YDS Pass Rush
18.7 299.6 185.1 114.4

Defense
Pts Yds Pass Rush
30.1 384.3 195.6 188.7

Okay so here is an example. A few little things: on offense the numbers represent an estimation of points per game, an average of yards per game, passing yards per game, and running the ball per game. Defense is represented by points allowed per game, total yards allowed per game, passing yards allowed, and rushing yards allowed. what i am trying to figure out is how to take this data and create a spread, or a scoring system that averages everything out and creates a bit of a clearer picture of who has the better stats.. Figuring this out is especially difficult with two teams such as this sample.

[Yoder]

SoulWrangler, on Nov 4 2010, 04:42 PM, said:

This allows unions, private interest groups and anyone in general to put out their point of view. ... Im not sure Ive seen that at all. And it seems that campaign contributions and ads have a very small impact on actual results in terms of voting patterns. The author of freakonomics made an interesting article on the subject.

What is wrong with labor unions? I kind of like them. The problem is that they are being stomped out of existence by the right...cuts into profits they say. Hah!

An example or how the public was persuaded on an issue is health care. Big money health insurance companies came in, spent the money, spread some lies, and as a result we lost the public option and the majority of the people dislike health care reform...they don't know why, but they hate it. The Chamber of Commerce used big money from various corporations to defeat a few politicians this year...the one guy in Florida comes to mind. The problem is that too many politicians listen to the big money and not the people. Money is also used to sway public opinion in favor of corporate needs and wants. The Supreme Court fucked us over, so let's see if the Republican's will back any legislation calling for campaign disclosures.

[SoulWrangler]

Yoder, on Nov 5 2010, 01:45 PM, said:

What is wrong with labor unions? I kind of like them. The problem is that they are being stomped out of existence by the right...cuts into profits they say. Hah!

An example or how the public was persuaded on an issue is health care. Big money health insurance companies came in, spent the money, spread some lies, and as a result we lost the public option and the majority of the people dislike health care reform...they don't know why, but they hate it. The Chamber of Commerce used big money from various corporations to defeat a few politicians this year...the one guy in Florida comes to mind. The problem is that too many politicians listen to the big money and not the people. Money is also used to sway public opinion in favor of corporate needs and wants. The Supreme Court fucked us over, so let's see if the Republican's will back any legislation calling for campaign disclosures.

I won't, any longer, answer your posts. You either can't or won't read what I write. You don't discuss what I bring up in anything resembling relevant means. That is all.

[Yoder]

SoulWrangler, on Nov 8 2010, 03:31 PM, said:

I won't, any longer, answer your posts. You either can't or won't read what I write. You don't discuss what I bring up in anything resembling relevant means. That is all.

Now that is not true. I read and respond to everything that you have posted. I guess you are not accustomed to using logic and facts. Relevance to you is pulling statements outta your ass, and then sugar coating it with a liberal dose of "fear mongering." You, my friend, are the one who strays from the topics and boasts of superiority...delusions of grandeur? And of course, facts and common sense (like I provide) have to relevance in a fantasy-world built upon falsehoods and fear.

I will take your statement as an admission of defeat. That is cool.

[sa1ty]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010...l-security.html

contrails!

[Yoder]

sa1ty, on Nov 9 2010, 02:26 PM, said:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010...l-security.html

contrails!

It was most likely a hobbyist missile (looked like one of the many missiles I saw launched from Vandenberg in the 60's), but one cannot ignore the fact that over the years there have been a lot of USO's spotted around the Catalina Islands. Eeeeerrrreeee...X-files material.